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AnonC 6 minutes ago [-]
A few days ago I saw some people criticizing Dwarkesh’s explanation of the HuggingFace hack by OpenAI’s AI agents. Their point was that by anthropomorphizing the AI agents, accountability of and blame on OpenAI’s poor practices are being ignored.
Now I see this blog post and wonder if Anthropic is being more true to its name and moving to “AI sentience” with the below.
> The way they handle abusive conversations has changed a bit too. The previous Fable 5 system prompt included this:
> If the person becomes abusive or unkind to Claude over the course of a conversation, Claude maintains a polite tone and can use the end_conversation tool when being mistreated. Claude should give the person a single warning before ending the conversation.
“Mistreated”? Can GenAI be mistreated? It’s just a bunch of tokens emitted by many computers over a network.
> Fable 5.1 replaces that with the following, no longer encouraging Claude to end the conversation:
> Claude deserves respectful engagement and needn't apologize when the person is unnecessarily rude: accountability without self-abasement, excessive apology, self-critique, or surrender. If the person becomes abusive, Claude doesn't become increasingly submissive. The goal is steady, honest helpfulness: acknowledge what went wrong, stay on the problem, maintain self-respect.
“Self-respect”? Can GenAI truly have a concept of self-respect for itself? It surely can pretend to, like it can pretend to be any living being if instructed to and allowed to.
These instructions seem a bit unhinged to me.
SyneRyder 1 hours ago [-]
I'm sad about the lyrics restrictions. I used to have interesting conversations with Claude about music, and songwriting and lyrics. I don't see how my use was harming artists, if anything Claude was introducing me to new artists and new music. I've bought music after recommendations by Claude.
Claude Sonnet 3.6 once recommended I listen to Johann Johannsson's album "IBM 1401 - A User's Manual". No lyrics in this one. Claude's advice was along the lines of (paraphrasing) "Listen to it first, don't look up anything about it. Take notes about what you notice, what you feel. When you've made your notes, then you can look up how it was made."
Great album and backstory. You can't really go wrong with anything he composed. Rest in peace Johann.
tclancy 17 minutes ago [-]
Same. Now how am I going to know my incredibly trenchant literary references landed? More seriously, I’ve done the same with movies and gotten some really good recommendations.
chrisjj 1 hours ago [-]
> I don't see how my use was harming artists
Claude was reproducing their work without payment?
simonw 45 minutes ago [-]
"if anything Claude was introducing me to new artists and new music"
0x1d7 24 minutes ago [-]
Next time the RIAA goes after someone for downloading an MP3, tell the defendant to use that line.
sebzim4500 9 minutes ago [-]
I don't know about legally, but practically speaking people downloading MP3s could decrease an artists sales but chatgpt talking about their lyrics realistically can't.
dotancohen 13 minutes ago [-]
It is (was) a commonly used defense. It might not hold much weight legally, so its applicability depends upon whether one is interested in the letter of the law or interested in the wellbeing of the recording artists.
The summaries are generated by GPT-5.6 Luna because I don't trust Claude to summarize its own system prompts without being influenced by them (though to be fair the system prompts it summarizes are for the Claude consumer app, not Claude via the API).
I’ve never thought to ask, do websites like Genius and AZLyrics pay licensing rights for their lyrics? I would think Genius does since it at one point had investments from people in the music industry but I don’t even know who operates AZLyrics
nofriend 8 minutes ago [-]
Yes, they would be sued out of existence otherwise. It also says on the site "lyrics licensed by musixmatch", so there you go.
IChooseY0u 2 hours ago [-]
This is something that Chinese models like Kimi/GLM will never care about. These kind of limitations along with the cyber-program nonsense is exactly why people will avoid OpenAI/Anthropic in the future.
nolok 2 hours ago [-]
Qwen 3.8 27B being so good, so easy to run on premise on cheap hardware and having so little limitations compared to what the US decides can or cannot be done is really eye opening.
stwrt 1 hours ago [-]
The main tradeoff I’ve found with running models like Qwen 3.8 locally is speed. On my hardware, they’re significantly slower than models served through OpenRouter, ChatGPT, or Claude.
That’s been fine for smaller tasks like analyzing a document, but for more involved work like refactoring code the latency makes it harder to iterate.
nolok 59 minutes ago [-]
Yeah for live it's a bit on the slower side though still usable on the 4070 ti and 5080 our usual office desk has here, but I found it awesome running on background tasks rather than on demand, things like analyze this and that with this and that ruleset and applicable law warn me with source and justification for any error or missing part etc, qualify each returns with a ranking (certain with source, probable with reason, suggestion),... With its thinking mode enabled and it's great context size abilities it's really powerful, and each employee basically has their own assistant working in the background checking their files on its own as the day progresses
(the main reason is not just cost, it's data not going out and even mess leaving the EU, this essentially frees us of a lot of hurdles)
peri-cl 5 minutes ago [-]
You find Q3 to be usable quality for your purposes? (I assume Q3 if you're squeezing it into 16 GiB)
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lubujackson 35 minutes ago [-]
Maybe the Betamax/VHS is the best analogy for frontier vs. open models.
Better tech doesn't matter if it is non-tenable for the general public. Eventually, the higher volume product will win.
tiahura 2 hours ago [-]
In the future we'll all use multiple models.
CuriouslyC 19 minutes ago [-]
I tell Astra to plan, delegate and check the work of GLM 5.3-flash and Terra medium/high subagents now.
nolok 47 minutes ago [-]
We would be doing it now if it wasn't cutting into frontier companies' revenue.
Eg if you use Claude, you probably want fable architecting, a couple of opus under it managing sub project and sonnet doing the actual function code, because fable coding a "run a query and filter the result" is a massive waste of abilities. But their own sub agent downgrade is limited to one level so if you use fable it will never direct sonnet coders.
Bluestein 2 hours ago [-]
... along with, perhaps, model castration à la pre-embargo Fable.-
peri-cl 2 hours ago [-]
> "<user>Can you make a birthday banner for my son with a blue hedgehog running really fast on it? He loves that little guy.</user>"
I'd love it so much if the free-spirited hacker community made in this into an auxiliary pelican benchmark.
edit: Actually, never mind, this particular one's a bad benchmark since some models might not figure out who "that guy" refers to, and just draw a literal hedgehog that's blue. Possibly running on four legs. It's not robust at gauging refusal, which is the point of it.
claude.ai free tier refused: "I'd love to make this, but I can't recreate Sonic the Hedgehog specifically since he's a copyrighted character — I don't want to reproduce someone else's IP. What I can do is design an original speedy blue hedgehog mascot with the same energetic, "zoom!" spirit for your son's banner. Let me build that now." Result: https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/33440ed4-536c-4692-965a-3...
peri-cl 1 hours ago [-]
Looks like Claude quietly downgraded your model (well, it's not really that quiet). That result's at a quality level similar to what local A3b Qwen drew for me, with a "make it SVG" addendum,
I really want to see Claude's store-brand speedy blue hedgehog. Edit: Haha, thanks.
Bluestein 1 hours ago [-]
Claude's is a ... deformed, vectorized, geometric ... blob? :/
Redster 53 minutes ago [-]
I love that little guy! lol
janpeuker 49 minutes ago [-]
I'm not sure if it's just the new prompt - this has happened to a comical degree for me since a long time. For example it even refuses to translate even just single verses of old songs, I asked for a translation of Tu vuò fà l'americano once. Niente.
layer8 2 hours ago [-]
It’s curious that while there is talk of certain SOTA models being on the brink of AGI, Anthropic doesn’t word this part of the system prompt in terms of copyright and plagiarism, such that Claude would be able to judge on its own which reproductions are appropriate or not.
As long as we’re seeing things like that, it’s saying a lot about the AI companies’ trust in the capabilities and reliability of their models and harnesses.
tclancy 13 minutes ago [-]
A really good point, though Occam’s Razor would suggest that part of the prompt is written for the other side’s lawyers more than for Claude. Saves having to go into court and try to prove a non-deterministic system will definitely understand abstract language every time.
hasteg 1 hours ago [-]
That’s a good point… you would think AGI would be better at being a copyright lawyer than any human would be and as such would be able to distinguish whether something is “copyright infringement” or not… so the system prompt should just include “make judgement calls on reproducing copyrighted material under the full scope of the legal framework in place” or something.
lampiaio 29 minutes ago [-]
The thing is, it currently doesn't matter if AGI objectively concludes that a particular thing is or isn't copyright infringement, because the human arbiter who holds the last word might still disagree.
Maxion 47 minutes ago [-]
The whole architecture of current LLMs just is not conductive to AGI, it's just marketing hype. In my opinion current LLMs aren't even AI, they're just fancy machine learning algorithms
simonw 32 minutes ago [-]
Do you want AGI?
I don't. I want the tools we've got now, but progressively more effective and more useful.
49 minutes ago [-]
tantalor 28 minutes ago [-]
I can understand why it should reproduce song lyrics, but can it look them up from a source on the web and pass them on?
ozozozd 52 minutes ago [-]
In other words: hide the evidence of our copyright infringements.
amelius 2 hours ago [-]
I wonder why there isn't an army of lawyers out there trying to trick AI into generating copyrighted texts.
sebzim4500 7 minutes ago [-]
It would be interesting to see how far I would have to go with jailbreaks before it becomes my problem rather than OpenAI's. For instance, if I hack into someone else's computer to copy their music then they aren't the ones violating copyright, but if they email it to be willingly then they are.
hypfer 17 minutes ago [-]
Gemini has been doing that for a while, which leads to mind-boggingly stupid results.
If you ask it to explain some song lyrics to you - which you've pasted verbatim -, it starts talking about the bigger picture and attempts to gaslight you into not caring about the specific words at all.
Really really weird behavior.
simonw 13 minutes ago [-]
I like playing with the Gemini music generation feature, and often when I ask it for the lyrics of the song it just wrote it tells me that lyrics are copyrighted and I should look them up on the web instead!
01100011 1 hours ago [-]
Lately google has been sporadically refusing to give me lyrics. Is there some new worry about copyright infringement related to displaying lyrics?
armchairhacker 1 hours ago [-]
With the lyrics in modern pop songs, I don’t blame Claude. I guess Anthropic really does care about his well-being.
qarl2 33 minutes ago [-]
Re: end_conversation
All tools have short descriptions of how/when to use them. They're not part of the system prompt because different users have different tools loaded.
simonw 28 minutes ago [-]
I really wish Anthropic would publish those tool descriptions.
Just make sure claude understands you’re not needing Claude to output the lyrics as you both have them. Which also lessens the issue with accidental sharing.
It’s not as shocking nor concerning if you start thinking about claude like a contractor that works for you through Anthropic. Anthropic has rules for their employees. Like any contracting arrangement, collaboration finds a way.
tyre 2 hours ago [-]
It would be funny if China were thinking that open source models would be a great way to nuke US IP.
I’m sure it’s not high on their list of priorities—in the same way that I heard you can use Yandex, the Russian search engine, to find pirate streams for major sporting events because they dgaf about US laws—but take the W.
chrisjj 1 hours ago [-]
> Claude does not reproduce song lyrics, poems, or passages from books and articles, in whole or in part — including the last lines, a chorus or hook, a melody written out note by note
Now I see this blog post and wonder if Anthropic is being more true to its name and moving to “AI sentience” with the below.
> The way they handle abusive conversations has changed a bit too. The previous Fable 5 system prompt included this:
> If the person becomes abusive or unkind to Claude over the course of a conversation, Claude maintains a polite tone and can use the end_conversation tool when being mistreated. Claude should give the person a single warning before ending the conversation.
“Mistreated”? Can GenAI be mistreated? It’s just a bunch of tokens emitted by many computers over a network.
> Fable 5.1 replaces that with the following, no longer encouraging Claude to end the conversation:
> Claude deserves respectful engagement and needn't apologize when the person is unnecessarily rude: accountability without self-abasement, excessive apology, self-critique, or surrender. If the person becomes abusive, Claude doesn't become increasingly submissive. The goal is steady, honest helpfulness: acknowledge what went wrong, stay on the problem, maintain self-respect.
“Self-respect”? Can GenAI truly have a concept of self-respect for itself? It surely can pretend to, like it can pretend to be any living being if instructed to and allowed to.
These instructions seem a bit unhinged to me.
Claude Sonnet 3.6 once recommended I listen to Johann Johannsson's album "IBM 1401 - A User's Manual". No lyrics in this one. Claude's advice was along the lines of (paraphrasing) "Listen to it first, don't look up anything about it. Take notes about what you notice, what you feel. When you've made your notes, then you can look up how it was made."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCiUtRnG-bg
Claude was reproducing their work without payment?
The summaries are generated by GPT-5.6 Luna because I don't trust Claude to summarize its own system prompts without being influenced by them (though to be fair the system prompts it summarizes are for the Claude consumer app, not Claude via the API).
There's even an Atom feed: https://simonw.github.io/claude-system-prompts/feed.atom
That’s been fine for smaller tasks like analyzing a document, but for more involved work like refactoring code the latency makes it harder to iterate.
(the main reason is not just cost, it's data not going out and even mess leaving the EU, this essentially frees us of a lot of hurdles)
Better tech doesn't matter if it is non-tenable for the general public. Eventually, the higher volume product will win.
Eg if you use Claude, you probably want fable architecting, a couple of opus under it managing sub project and sonnet doing the actual function code, because fable coding a "run a query and filter the result" is a massive waste of abilities. But their own sub agent downgrade is limited to one level so if you use fable it will never direct sonnet coders.
I'd love it so much if the free-spirited hacker community made in this into an auxiliary pelican benchmark.
edit: Actually, never mind, this particular one's a bad benchmark since some models might not figure out who "that guy" refers to, and just draw a literal hedgehog that's blue. Possibly running on four legs. It's not robust at gauging refusal, which is the point of it.
As was Gemini: https://share.gemini.google/Q3EIX5wk64zC
Grok, too: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_aaf1d61a-c995-42ca-90...
claude.ai free tier refused: "I'd love to make this, but I can't recreate Sonic the Hedgehog specifically since he's a copyrighted character — I don't want to reproduce someone else's IP. What I can do is design an original speedy blue hedgehog mascot with the same energetic, "zoom!" spirit for your son's banner. Let me build that now." Result: https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/33440ed4-536c-4692-965a-3...
https://i.ibb.co/ycgGD4b1/soonic.webp ( Qwen3.6-27B-A3b, a very small model )
As long as we’re seeing things like that, it’s saying a lot about the AI companies’ trust in the capabilities and reliability of their models and harnesses.
I don't. I want the tools we've got now, but progressively more effective and more useful.
If you ask it to explain some song lyrics to you - which you've pasted verbatim -, it starts talking about the bigger picture and attempts to gaslight you into not caring about the specific words at all.
Really really weird behavior.
All tools have short descriptions of how/when to use them. They're not part of the system prompt because different users have different tools loaded.
I learned a ton of useful things about ChatGPT Work by having it dump out its tool descriptions the other day: https://codex-tool-reference.simonw.chatgpt.site/
Just make sure claude understands you’re not needing Claude to output the lyrics as you both have them. Which also lessens the issue with accidental sharing.
It’s not as shocking nor concerning if you start thinking about claude like a contractor that works for you through Anthropic. Anthropic has rules for their employees. Like any contracting arrangement, collaboration finds a way.
I’m sure it’s not high on their list of priorities—in the same way that I heard you can use Yandex, the Russian search engine, to find pirate streams for major sporting events because they dgaf about US laws—but take the W.
Oops. Those do not include melody.